Response to “Setting the Scene in Watchmen”

I think it’s interesting that this post both praises the Watchmen for it’s realistic New York setting and the statement that Mr. Manhattan is eortiz’s favorite character for his very unreal super powers. A great example of the power of masking, as McCloud discusses it on in the second chapter of Understanding Comics. I would argue that rather than masking being exclusively an illustrative technique, its utilized in the Watchmen through narrative. While Dave Gibbons’ style seems to gravitate towards the more realistic side of the McCloud triangle, this is still, to varying degrees, an impossible story. Rather than identify with the iconic aspects of the characters, the unique and detailed faces of all characters (primary, secondary, superficial) along with similarly realistic backgrounds allows the reader a more objective view of the story based on the text. The focus on reading allows for a greater “perception” rather than “reception” of the story, perhaps lending the story its sophistication and acceptance in the literary world (McCloud, 49).

As to eortiz’s second point about the lack of cultural diversity, I certainly agree, and would also point to this as one of the few aspects that may one day come to view the Watchmen as dated. This cultural criticism certainly applies to virtually every American form of entertainment, and forms the basis for so much of the responsive literature being produced today. Yet its not so much the lack of representation that stuck out to me as much as what we do see: specifically, the lesbian on page 21 of chapter five. I applaud the creative team for attempting to include someone who (especially at the time) was such a poorly understood minority in the American public. Yet I cannot help but feel the eighth panel is both unnecessary and perhaps even misleading. I say unnecessary because, at least for me, it is obvious Joey is a woman. By pointing this out with her poster and intimidation, it seems to place a more flagrant and negative stereotype on her. This is probably way too sensitive, but for the sake of discussion…

My other problem is that the acronym from Gay Woman Against Rape has nothing to do with Gwar, which is only lame because those two things should totally be related!

Response to “Vigilantism, in before flood”

The point about these heroes coming into their profession through a sort ancient practice is interesting. What time in world history do you think this could be compared to?

Also, I wouldn’t say Alan Moore was attempting to put forth some moral dilemma for or against authority. Rather, he’s created a world that reacts in a very realistic way to vigilantes. In my opinion, the story is a sort of “what if” scenario. The reactions of the people toward these self made super heroes is very realistic. We see this in other comics, too. I know that in the Civil War series by Marvel we see the Superhuman Registration Act come into play. I’m sure they got this idea from Moore, at least in part.

I suppose what I’m attempting to put forth here is the idea that Watchmen was made to show what would really happen of men and women gave in to their ultimate, secret desires and fought crime. Becoming a super hero does not make you a super person. The Comedian is great example of that. Vigilantes would become a nuisance to organized justice systems, many of those heros would get hurt and hurt others in the process, and I strongly believe if there were masked avengers running around Washington D.C. we would be excited but ultimately nervous. Once you have that hero you have to have a villain.

I think what we are getting from Moore is the inadequacies of super heroes. Due to the fact that they are indeed just ordinary people they can’t make extraordinary change. We haven’t gotten to the end of the book yet, but when we do it’ll become more apparent. His point is that what we need is a drastic event to bring as together as people so we can work for ourselves instead of letting others, like heroes, work for us.

I hope that makes sense.

First Readers – Under the Hood and the Tragic Comedian

It is apparent that the “Under the Hood” excerpt is almost as important to the world of the Watchmen as the panels are, which just might partly explain the quasi-failure of the film adaptation which could not contain the writings of Hollis Mason for obvious reasons. Although they serve as great stories on their own merit, they also manage to enhance the effect of the main text. The story Moe Vernon in the first chapter of “Under the Hood” is one of the saddest things I ever read. Moe was known for his sense of humor, which included props—even a pair of rubber bosoms that he happened to be wearing when he discovers that his wife has been having an affair with his trusted friend and employee, Fred Motz. When Moe informs everyone of this, they break out laughing, mostly to the juxtaposition of Moe, the breasts, and the “Ride of the Valkyrie,” and later Moe commits suicide.

Moe Vernon serves as a parallel to Eddie Blake, who has been murdered in the issue preceding the excerpt. Both are tragic comedians in a dark and hollow world that needs laughter more than ever before but will not be around any longer to provide it.

Alyse Jones — Response to “First Readers-Moriah Jones”

I agree with Moriah’s evaluation of the characters and morals (or lack there of) of the “heroes” in the first few chapters of The Watchmen. I also find it very interesting that, in most cases, the characters admit to their flaws. I think that their biggest weakness is that they put themselves in the shoes of superheroes but still view themselves as “only human”. Rather than accepting responsibilities as true “watchers” of and examples for the human race, they pretend to be superheroes because it makes them happy and then whine about the consequences.

Some of these human flaws are spelled out very directly on page 30 of Chapter 2 in an excerpt from the original Nite Owl’s book. He describes the various flaws of the team including sex fetishes, insanity, political extremity, etc. “… we were crazy, we were kinky, we were Nazis, all those things that people say.”

Overall, I think this book is a great study so far on what the world would be like if people tried to act like superheroes, but I do not consider it to be a book about actual superheroes. Perhaps one could even use this book as a study on why super heroes cannot exist.

Even Dr. Manhattan with his real “super” powers is an example of the improbability of super beings as heroes. Like we talked about in class on Tuesday, his omnipotent powers left him bored with humanity and even the rest of the universe. The idea that such a being would waste his time on Earth is not probable in the “real world” – a world in which The Watchman is clearly based.

Respondents: Elaborating on Charlton and Watchmen

The idea that the Watchmen were very nearly existing characters (from Charleston comics, which I admittedly know nothing about) makes be wonder if it would have even been possible to tell this story with recognizable faces. If you took Rorschach and made him Batman, and took Dr. Manhattan and made him Superman, etc, could you get the same effect? My gut reaction is no. As Alex said, by creating characters from scratch he was allowed to make them exactly as needed. Still, the question is why? Why is it so vital to the success of the story that these characters being new and unknown and made exactly the way they are?

Again, I’ll take Rorschach (who, interestingly, seems to easily be the character people latch onto the most. I wonder why?) as a sample. Why does he work here when a Batman wouldn’t? Both are capable of cruelties, and you could argue that there is nothing Rorschach does that isn’t outside of Batman’s obsessive personality. The problem as I see it is a simple one: Batman is Batman. We expect certain things from him. He is, no matter how he’s written, already a protagonist simply for being who he is. Rorschach, on the other hand, is intriguing but also mildly horrifying. It’s hard not to he wary of him, as we don’t know exactly how far. While Batman could easily play the same role, that feeling of wary uncertain would likely be absent.

That sense of uncertainty is key to the telling of the story because without it the questions Moore raises about the moral ramifications of superheroes don’t hold the same punch. We need to feel the same unease with these characters as society in the book does, and this is much better accomplished by using new characters instead of recycled ones.

Respondents – Leon Langford

I’d like to agree and build upon what Moria mentioned in her First Readers message, that Rosarch closely resembles Batman. I’d like to push this idea a little more, and say that a number of characters have resemble certain aspects of Batman.  While Batman’s true element and most well known characteristic is fear, there are a number of other aspects that complete him. The costume as well as the gadgets, the heavily conditioned and near perfect body, and last but not least the mind; let’s not forget that Batman is one of the comic book world’s greatest detectives.

Niteowl is most closely related to Batman when it comes to costumes, (I mean come on, they both represent winged animals of the night), and they both have highly stylized vehicles. Batman has the batmobile while Niteowl has Archie; both of these vehicles are outfitted with a nice array of weaponry. Another connection between ‘the Owl’ and ‘the Bat’ are their bank accounts. Wayne inherited Wayne Enterprises from his father, while Dan’s father was a banker who also left him a large inheritance.

Ozymandias or Adrian Veidt is a combination of the other two characteristics, he is incredibly smart as well as well conditioned. The media calls him, “The World’s Smartest Man”, and in his chamber he is sometimes seen watching more than 2 dozens televisions at once. He has built an incredible powerful financial empire which he seems to have a steady rule over. Batman, or Bruce Wayne rather has an empire and according to the DC Wiki  (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batman_%28Bruce_Wayne%29) he is a genius who is a master of numerous languages. Ozymandias is also world renowned for his physical prowess, in one scene he is seen performing acrobatics, later he catches a bullet with his bare hands, and towards the end he is seen easily lifting a full grown man over his head. Batman is an example of physical perfection, even for a fictional human some of his achievements seem superhuman, as we’ve witnessed time after time, Batman single handedly takes down a mob of men, beating people twice his size, and even healing from a broken back.

I’m not here to say that any of the Watchmen’s characters are a rip off of Batman, but that they have small similarities which connect them.  I think these connections are just qualities that most human super heroes. If you’re human super hero character doesn’t have any flash gadgets, a nice vehicle, an incredible intelligence, or a great body, what makes them so Super?

First Readers-Moriah Jones

I think the moral statement Watchmen tries to make is fascinating. I could discuss the city. Watchmen is based out of New York City. But  then again New York City being the gross underbelly of a society doesn’t really surprise anyone. Throughout these beginning chapters it is highlighted how much the city and the people need to be saved.

The main person narrating this point is Rorschach. His opinions and thoughts on the city are made clear from the first panel he steps into. I mention the moral decay of the city to the end of talking about its hero’s. The “heroes” in Watchmen, at least the ones presented to us in these early chapters, seem to be more parts villain than they are hero. First we have Rorschach who in my personally opinion is so blinded by disgust and hate that he is no longer fit to do the job. He in my opinion has lost sight of the people who are the heart of the city, and if you are no longer working to save them but are fighting to maintain a standard, how can you carry on the fight in a humane way? He puts my in mind of a Batman without hope who has no rules and crosses whatever lines he wants to get the job done. Rorschach is an extreme example. Any one can look at him and see that he has lost sight of the true mission and has been blinded by the desire to purge. But aside from him there is the Comedian. A man responsible/entrusted with saving people and yet he attempts to rape a fellow teammate! In Watchmen even the heroes need to be saved. On page pg 5 in the Hollis Mason Pages he is talking about how in comics the line for good and evil is defined. there are no questions of right and wrong and justice is served. Moor and Gibbons seem to be conveying that the exact opposite is the truth. No given situation is as pretty and simple as right and wrong. But each choice, each hero, each villain even, is filled with shades of gray.

First Readers – Charlton and Watchmen

The characters in Watchmen are all based on those of a publisher, Charlton, that (at the time) had been newly acquired by DC. As Alan Moore’s original draft would have left many of these characters dead or indisposed, he was asked to create new characters instead. Although they didn’t get used in Watchmen, many of the Charlton characters are still in use by DC today.

In context to my current rereading of Watchmen, I am incredibly happy that The Blue Beetle, The Question, and Captain Atom (their doppelgangers are Night Owl, Rorschach, and Dr. Manhattan, respectively) did not find their way into the story. Although this is partly because of a sort of protectiveness I have for the characters, it is also because would also ruin the integrity of the work itself. Alan Moore brings these new characters to life (if it can be called that) in a cold, dark world, which requires them to behave a certain way; if they had even a tiny bit of back story prior to page 1 of Watchmen, it would be hard to take this attitude for granted. By choosing to use fresh characters, Alan Moore is granted infinitely more control over his entire universe. As a result, there is a cold underlying feeling that runs through the story, and each of its characters. As a reader, this ‘chill’ is constantly reinforced by the characters behaving as if something major is about to break; we believe this sentiment so much so, that when it actually happens, it isn’t completely out of left field (even if it is in the form of a space squid).

Ultimately, the DC comics, Alan Moore, and the readers got so much more from his creations than they would have if he had chosen to keep his original roaster of characters. For the Charlton characters, their purity was kept intact even as they all got to live another day, while Alan Moore got to make his world as dark and gritty as it absolutely needed to be.

Methods of Coloring Comics

 After reading chapter eight in Understanding Comics and knowing the visual assault of color I was facing with Watchmen after having read it a few times, I thought color in comics would be a good topic to find a resource on to share with everyone. In my search, I came across this article in a blog post titled Make It Loud: Comics Color, Kevin Nowlan, and Cosmic Depth by blogger Frank Santoro in Color Comics Issue #2. It was posted on the blog for Comics Comics Mag just over a year ago. Like McCloud in chapter eight, the article discusses the three additive primary colors used in comics, red, blue, and green, but the article elaborates further by addressing the process in more detail. Santoro interviews comic artist Kevin Nowlan, who points out some interesting differences between the older methods of coloring comics by hand and the mainstream methods of today such as using programs like Adobe Photoshop. I had a better understanding of the press and plates operation involved in coloring comics and the job of a colorist and a separator from the article and thought it tied in nicely with the reading for Tuesday.

Setting the scene in Watchmen

It seems that by setting Watchmen in a real, non-fictional location,  New York City (present day when it was published), there is a greater opportunity to create an even more scathing commentary on current social and political issues.  As opposed to the Batman comics which are set in fictional Gotham, Watchmen becomes an even more cynical commentary on the social issues of the time.  The pre-Giuliani NYC of the 1980s had a much higher crime rate than the present NYC (obviously, present day NYC is not devoid of crime and violence) and we see the “grittiness” of that NYC reflected in the NYC presented in Watchmen.  With its references to violent crimes, murder, prostitution and plethora of x-rated venues, I don’t find Watchmen to be too much of a stretch in its portrayal of the environment at that time.  At the same time, the story really does play into the mythology of New York City as a dark, gritty, seedy place filled with despicable people.  Exterior illustrations of the city during daytime are still filled with shadows and dark color so far in chapters 1-3.  For example, the first panel of page 22 shows the sun rising between the buildings and sky scrapers yet the people in the streets are enveloped in black shadows and muted purples.

What is a bit bothersome to me is that in a city as diverse as NYC, Watchmen is really lacking (at least so far) in presenting its characters and society as multicultural.  That I can recall, so far I’ve only seen one black person and that isn’t until chapter 3.  The NYC setting shows some diversity in things like the Indian diner illustrated in the background of a panel.  To me, the lack of diversity is about as strange as the rest of the story of masked avengers and giant, radioactive (?) blue men.  Sidenote: I find Dr. Manhattan to be the most interesting character so far as he is the only Watchman with actual “superhuman” powers.

foreshadowing in Watchmen chapters 1-3

Chapters one through three of Watchmen are packed with suspenseful foreshadowing, and contain enough action and subplot to make the history of the characters’ relationships interesting.These chapters use politics, metafiction, and the Watchmen’s familial controversy to build up the comic’s mystery.
The political aspect is used both realistically – in that America was once very wary of the Soviet Union’s political movement – and as a tool to reveal how heavily the United States relies on Doctor Manhattan. When the Soviet Union relizes that Doctor Manhattan has abandoned the U.S., they take advantage of the situation. To demonstrate their worldly power, the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan. It is apparent that Doctor Manhattan is a vital tool in America’s national defense system, but I’m sure there is more to the political reference that the comic has yet to reveal.
There is a subplot in Watchmen: the pirate comic, which acts as both a subplot and a metafictional reminder that Watchmen is a comic. This is driven home by the mention of superhero comics throughout the novel, specifically in the diary of Hollis Mason, and also on page twenty-five of chapter three. The news vendor says, “Y’know, super-heroes are finished. These days, it’s all pirates. Back in ’39, before the real masked men showed up, super-hero comics were enormous. Guess their appeal wore off…” This is a loaded statement. He is describing the popularity of hostile pirate adventures since the super-hero storylines have vanished from the comic scene, but he’s also referring to the rise of crime in society since the “real” superheroes ceased their vigilantism. This is foreshadowing events to come following the abandonment of Doctor Manhattan, but that is the extent of information the reader is given directly.

First Readers – Details and Double Meanings

I was immediately struck by the significance of Rorschach’s name and mask, which obviously derive from the famous Hermann Rorschach and the inkblot test.  The meaning seems quite clear:  whatever judgments you are making about this superhero reflect more on you than it does on him.  I will confess to staring at the changing patterns of his mask for an embarrassingly long time, looking for some clue to his character or purpose, but to no avail (Chapter 1, pages 12 and 15 offer a good look at his ever-changing “face”). Scott McCloud, in Chapter Five, writes:  “Certain patterns can produce an almost physiological effect in the viewer … [who] for some reason … will ascribe those feelings, not to themselves, but to the characters they identify with” (132). He was writing this about background patterns, but I think it can also apply to Rorschachs’s distinctive inkblot mask. In other words, Rorschach alone carries no true meaning – we project our own thoughts and feelings on him.  Having said that, it seems best to read the whole novel before making any judgments about Rorschach…or yourself .

The mystery of Rorschach is just the beginning of the many curiosities this novel contains. One has to be constantly aware of seemingly innocuous details that may have some meaning later.  For instance, there is an interesting play-on-words, often with double meaning, that runs throughout the novel, from the seemingly incidental to the brazenly obvious.  On page 9 of chapter one, there is a sign from a mechanic’s shop that reads “We fix ‘em!  Obsolete models a specialty”.  This certainly refers to more than just automobiles and foreshadows the many images of aging superheros in the pages that follow.   In chapter three, we see the locksmith from the “Gordian Knot Lock Co.” (the OED Online defines a Gordian knot as “A matter of extreme difficulty. To cut a Gordian knot: to get rid of a difficulty by force.”) – more foreshadowing.   Newspaper headlines also play a distinctive role as part of a secondary story about an impending international crisis (examples:  Chapter 1, page 18, chapter 2, pages 5, 9,10).

Another interesting example of this device is found in the parallel story lines of Dr. Manhattan and the pirate comic in chapter three.  This can be clearly seen in the closely mirrored narration of the comic and the experiences of Dr. Manhattan after he goes to Mars:  “That night, I slept badly beneath cold, distant stars, pondering upon the cold, distant god in whose hands the fate of Davidstown rested” (21).  Probably the best example of duality is again found in chapter three where images and dialogue from Dr. Manhattan’s interview coincide eerily with the assault on Laurie and Dreiberg.  For instance, when Dr. Manhattan is asked “Doc, if the reds act up in Afghanistan … will you be prepared to enter hostilities?” (page 12).  The last part of the sentence is superimposed on the image of Laurie and Dreiberg as they face their assailants.

There are so many examples (such as the sugar cubes) that it would take a book to recount them all, I’m sure.  And, I’ve only read through chapter 3!

First Readers: Vigilantism, in before flood.

I think we can say with confidence that there is a lot going on in the Watchmen, but one of the stronger themes in the book deals with the legitimacy of authority. If Watchmen were told using traditional superhero’s the point may not be as clear (I mean traditional in character, not appearance). However, as they are, emotionally stirred (or disturbed) and sometimes morally dubious, there is a justified question that arises in “What gave these people the authority?” We certainly didn’t elect them. The practice that they use to legitimize their vigilantism predates elections. In some ways the way that these people took power is an ancient practice. A war hero comes to power and legitimacy because he proves that he can protect the people, or strike fear into them. In the case of the Nite Owl and even more so, the Silk Specter, it is hereditary. With the type of behavior that the “heroes” in Watchmen exhibit, there is little wonder why the people would pass the Keene Act.

The Keene act which forces the masked avengers into retirement or registration. Most of these masks did retire, and the Comedian and Dr. Manhattan went on to work for the state. The only one who refused to hang up his uniform, was Rorschach.  Like Batman, Rorschach refuses to retire, and we see the desire for justice pushed to the limits of understanding. Both of these characters are so unrelenting in their own particular view of good and evil, justice and wrong, that they paint targets on their heads… They ultimately become an obstacle for the peace of other people, among a great many other problems. Nevertheless, the reader is usually inclined to side with the renegade hero. This usually is because the heroes are thought to be made of stronger moral metal than the state. They are fulfilling a role that the state should, but is unable to do so because it is weak or compromising. Rorschach says this in his own fun way when he staples a note that says “Never” to the body of a serial rapist, left dead outside a police station (Never, of course, referring to when he will retire). He is saying that, the state, or the system by which we legitimize our leaders is forever broken and will always need his assistance in doing their job. He caught the rapist after all, and took from him the opportunity of due process and possible release (or improvement) by killing him. I can’t assume to know your own reaction to this, but for me, and I suspect others, there was a certain degree of satisfaction in this action. However, later, Rorschach crosses the line. Breaking fingers in a bar is pretty bad, especially doing so on a whim. Even worse, Rorschach, accosts the ex-villain Moloch in his own home. Despite being living proof that criminals can reform, Rorschach still shows his justice is uncompromising by pinning and interrogating the old man, who also happens to have cancer.

I think that, despite the obviously limited reach of a character like Rorschach, we will see that giving power to any one person do dole out their own brand of justice has serious problems. For the same reason that we do (try our best at) not legislating morality, we cannot hand over our rights and our justice system to someone just because they have shown strength. Alan Moore, seems to be tackling this idea more than anything.

Searcher: Great list of quotes

Th[is] blog is mostly a review which is boring, but not the reason I posted it. Instead I wanted to bring attention to the quotes that are in bold face throughout the blog. One thing I noticed about The Dark Knight Returns is that there is a lot of text everywhere. Someone or something is always talking on each and every page. With just the sheer volume of dialogue it can be a bit overwhelming picking out some of the best lines and quips. Aditya Mani Jha does a good job of picking out some of the best bits of dialogue in the book. My favorite would have to be what Bruce says to himself as he gets ready to become Batman again.

“You are puny….you are small….you are a rusty trap which cannot hold me……feel me within your soul……for I am your soul….smouldering, I burn you….burning you, I flare, hot and bright and fierce and beautiful.”

There are plenty of other good lines in the book, but this one is just so raw, and powerful. It really gets at what is going on inside of Bruce at the time and the word choice is very poetic.

Sean Ferguson

Searcher – The epic debate of Batman vs. Superman

http://www.retrojunk.com/details_articles/929/

Above is a link to an uber-fan’s fantastic blog about the ever so popular debate of Super vs. Batman. Since this is a large and very memorable part of The Dark Knight Returns, I figured this was a good page to include. This blogger goes deep into the history of both heros acknowledging that one is forged and powered by the light (Superman) and the other thrives in the dark (Batman) – the classic light against dark scenario. He also notes the irony of Superman trying to “apprehend the ‘outlaw’ Batman” when he himself in his history is was “Public Enemy #1” at one point! Although the blog is mostly for stating the reasons as to why a Batman vs. Superman movie would be phenomenal to watch, it is an entertaining read by someone who clearly enjoys and respects the legends of both superheroes.